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Fire your gurus

As long as we continue to follow our coaches and therapists, we'll never achieve the enlightenment or happiness we seek. A word of advice: Become your own guru.

Tijn Touber | November 2007 issue

Gurus, spiritual teachers, therapists, life coaches: I used to follow them with devotion. I devoured their books, attended their seminars and sat at their feet. For years, I enjoyed the loving embrace of mother Amma, the sharp tongue of Eckhart Tolle, the inspiration of Krishnamurti. I listened to the lectures of Neale Donald Walsch, Deepak Chopra and Andrew Cohen.

I travelled year after year to India, without a doubt the country with the densest population of gurus. Every teacher I came across promised some type of enlightenment or freedom: one by sharing knowledge, another through meditation, yoga or mantra-chanting. Some held lengthy sermons; others kept their mouths tightly shut. Some were the embodiment of love; others were blunt and continued to batter followers until their egos were broken. Many of these gurus were extraordinarily wise and greatly enriched my life.

Yet I began increasingly to doubt whether the relationship between gurus, as well as other powerful figures, and their followers is the best way to achieve enlightenment or freedom. After all, in all the ashrams I visited, I rarely encountered an enlightened follower—someone who appeared to be just as wise, radiant and independent as the master himself. To be sure, most followers were devout and full of praise for their gurus, but they strongly doubted themselves. I noticed in myself as well that I sometimes seemed to shrink in the presence of an awe-inspiring guru. Was it a mark of honour and respect or in fact fear of standing on my own two feet?

More than 1,000 years ago, the Chinese Zen master Lin Chi underlined the danger of gurus. He saw that many of his contemporaries in the 9th century transferred responsibility for their spiritual well-being to others. He said this meant they gave away their power and authenticity. This inspired Lin Chi’s oft-quoted statement: “If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.” In other words, if you think you can find enlightenment outside yourself, you’re on the wrong track. After all, the essence of Buddha’s teachings is that everyone carries the Buddha nature inside, or—put another way—we are all Buddha. Lin Chi’s warning is still relevant today. Despite the far-reaching individualization in the modern Western world, people continue to seek handholds. Nowadays, there are more gurus than ever, despite the change in titles: mental coach, therapist, social worker.

The American social scientist John McKnight, who has been studying the effect of professional helpers on society for more than 40 years, is a modern Lin Chi. “Every time we call in an expert, we lose a piece of ourselves. As a result, the social workers have eroded the very soul of community,” he writes in The Careless Society. “The enemy is not poverty, sickness and disease, but a set of interests that need dependency, masked by service.”

Gurus and professional helpers aren’t the only ones who tend to make people dependent and keep them down; parents and educators often do the same. How many parents and teachers see the “Buddha” in children? Instead of encouraging kids to trust their innate wisdom, they cram them full of facts and figures. Most kids are never asked about who they are, but what they want to be. The underlying message is, You’re nothing now, but if you do what we say, you can become someone later. As a result, it’s instilled in us at a young age that we must somehow get to the bottom of the wisdom of others instead of exploring the wisdom within ourselves.

The idea that you must become something in order to be successful, enlightened, delivered or happy is a huge misconception. The conviction that a path outside ourselves leads to something better is the reason why virtually no one ever arrives at their destination. After all, if you’re perpetually on your way, you’ll never get there. There’s a sign hanging in my local pub that reads, “Free beer tomorrow.” Of course tomorrow never comes.

Gurus, too, promise enlightenment later, thus condemning their followers to eternal dependence. It works both ways: After all, what would a guru be without followers?

Naturally, some influential figures haven’t become trapped in this mutual dependence. These are the radical masters who will not tolerate followers or hangers-on because they know spiritual freedom is only attainable for those who dare to stand naked before the truth—i.e., without pre-established loyalty to a doctrine or guru. Jesus would never have become a Christian, nor Buddha a Buddhist. These masters were rebels who primarily followed themselves (or God?). Psychiatrist Carl Jung was another example. He once said: “Thank God I’m not a Jungian.”

Jung was referring to what he saw as the problem of unequal relationships in every form of therapy. Healing, he believed, can only take place if space is given to the whole person—and the therapist can disrupt that whole. The American psychologist Marshall Rosenberg, who conceived a model known as “non-violent communication,” is extremely outspoken about the importance of complete equality. “When the therapist presents himself as a therapist, the therapy is doomed to fail.”

An unequal relationship means there is a glass ceiling the follower can barely penetrate. To grow beyond the master is difficult, particularly when you are taught not to trust your own wisdom. Is that the reason why the Tibetan word for guru, lama, is translated as “unsurpassed”? A follower doesn’t walk his own path, but that of another. Because that path is already worn, he doesn’t have to work as hard to walk it, nor does he learn the same lessons. The conclusions the master reached—as an end result of the original spiritual work—are not the same for the follower. The master has experienced both path and destination; the follower only knows the destination as described by the master he has so diligently studied.

This is why followers are often holier than the pope and more extreme in their viewpoints than the master. And these viewpoints can often be reduced to easily digestible bits. After all, the more insecure people are, the more they cling to “the truth” and the more they try to convince others. Moreover, most followers miss the full concept of the master’s teachings, so subtle and complex insights are reduced to easily understood and absorbed notions.

The paradox many people encounter in their search for enlightenment or deliverance is that this state of higher consciousness doesn’t correspond to holding onto “truths” and “facts.” Many truths and facts are only assumptions or ways of dealing with reality. It is no coincidence that the word “fact” is derived from the Latin word “facere”, which means “to make.” A fact is not truth, but a creation.

So we don’t really lose our “Buddha nature” because of what we don’t know, but because of what we are convinced we know because others have told us so—by clinging to borrowed, unshakable “truths.” As soon as we establish something as fact or pass judgment on it (“This is the way it is”), we lose contact with reality, with the greater whole. We reduce the truth—inasmuch as it exists—to a word, a document or a method and close ourselves to learning and growing.

Maybe gurus aren’t so much masters we can imitate but examples we can look to for inspiration. They show us that it is possible to achieve a higher state of consciousness. But it’s up to us to get there.

So it’s time to fire our gurus (facts, truths, religious persuasions, principles, dogmas) so the guru in ourselves can emerge. It’s time to become as great as the gurus we followed—just as authentic, unique and obstinate. This is not an act of aggression or disrespect. On the contrary, it is an act of love and gratitude. The greatest compliment we can pay our gurus, coaches and therapists is to make clear that we no longer need them. The treatment was successful; the guru died.



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Comments (19)

Excellent article! I have given up the trepidation I once had at not having my very own guru, and being somewhat eclectic. Eclectic has been fine with me for some time, and I guess I can be my own guru. (as a friend pointed out, the letters give the message, " Gee, yoU aRe yoU!) I do, however, deeply value the gifts from many teachers. I deeply appreciate the teachings of Jesus without being a Christian, my encounter years ago with "Be Here Now" by Ram Dass without becoming Hindu and following his guru, books, tapes, CDs and DVDs of Eckhart Tolle without becoming a Tolleist, and the years of meditation, books and study from the Buddhist tradition. Tijn Touber's writings in "Ode" delight me, and I'm not a Touberist, either. With tongue firmly in cheek, I describe myself as a Pantheist Christian Buddhist Monk. And consistent with the Buddhist tradition, I know that it is time to "fire" my self!

posted by James on 10/24/2007 11:51 am

The one statement in this article that I agree with is, "a fact is not truth, but a creation." The author begins this discussion with his own experiences of not finding in his fleeting relationships with a variety of gurus and spiritual teachers an effective path toward enlightenment or freedom. He then goes on to offer a number of "facts" to substantiate his conclusion that the problem here is not so much with himself as with the "fact" that a relationship with a guru or a spiritual teacher is by its very nature an obstacle to true freedom. This begs the question of why the author would choose to create such an impression that the guru-student relationship is necessarily a mutual dependency relationship akin to a gradeschool-pupil relationship.

I ask this because my experiences in this domain have been completely different. I worked with a spiritual teacher intimately for 13 years and throughout this relationship found it to be vital to my process of spiritual growth. My teacher was not at all interested creating any sort of dependency relationship, but rather he insisted that his students put into practice his teaching so that we could validate it in the crucible of our own direct experiences. He viewed "enlightenment" as a kind of college diploma - once one achieved a certain level of clarity through one's work within our spiritual school, one was expected to take that understanding into the world and mature it as one lived the rest of one's life.

And I did not find my teacher particularly unique in this regard. I have had the opportunity to meet and associate with spiritual teachers from a wide range of traditions, and I have found this insistence that spiritual students make the teaching real in their own lives through their own direct efforts to be a common theme. I have seen a number of traditions that routinely "graduate" former students into teaching roles (e.g. virtually every form of Zen Buddhism, Theravadan Buddhism, Tibetan Buddhism, Hindu Shaivism, etc. has such a process). The picture of the guru as someone who feeds off of the dependency of his or her students to maintain an elevated status is a straw man that bears little resemblence to the many healthy spiritual teaching relationships that exist in the world today. Yes there are examples of dysfunctional relationships that wear the facade of spirituality, one can find dysfunctionality where ever one looks, but to conclude from this that all spiritual teaching relationships are dysfunctional is simply dishonest.

There is a way that a guru and a student can be in a spiritual relationship in which the student surrenders completely to the teacher and the teaching while at the same time remaining completely responsible for their role in the relationship. This practice is called Conscious Discipleship (this is a term discussed a length in Mariana Caplan's wonderful book, "Do You Need a Guru: Understanding the Student-Teacher Relationship in an Era of False Prophets"). Conscious Discipleship is challenging and requires enormous internal vigilence. In my own observations, most people on the "spiritual circuit" try to avoid Conscious Discipleship. Two common methods of avoidance are to attempt to establish a dependency relationship with a spiritual authority and to deny the possibility that Conscious Discipleship is achievable and necessary.

My purpose in writing all this is to offer a counterpoint to the message of the article. My assertion is that a spiritual student-teacher relationship is not only possible, but very necessary. One can hardly expect to develop the ability to surrender to the Universe if one is unwilling to surrender to a spiritual teacher who embodies some aspect of the Universal. And without cultivating the ability to surrender to a spiritual teacher, it is virtually impossible to transcend the love affair that we have with our own identities. And one of the chief features that disrupts our ability to enter into true Conscious Discipleship is our vanity.

I will leave to the reader to decide what factors motivate the author to paint the particular caricature of the guru-student relationship that he does. But for those of you who responded positively to this article, I offer for your consideration that the factors in ourselves that tend to agree with the message of this article may well be the very same factors that will make entering into Conscious Discipleship extremely difficult.

posted by sgoodnick on 10/24/2007 9:51 pm

Does the second last paragraph of Tijn's article hold the key here?

It's interesting that the true translation of the Sanskrit word 'guru' means 'teacher', and in modern day India it is still considered to mean this. It seems that once again, the West has taken a word with quite a simple meaning and message from another part of the world and misunderstood it, or even deliberately manipulated it perhaps?

A good teacher is someone who indeed inspires us with their teachings and to learn, but also makes it very clear that it's the teachings that are the only important thing. All those I have had the privilege to come into contact with have stressed the absolute necessary of not taking their word for anything, but to find out the truth for oneself. I gather that Krishnamurti was a very fine example of this, even o the point of being 'harshest' (for want of a better word) with those who had sometimes followed him for 20 years or more! Otherwise it is, to paraphrase Tijn, a repetition of words and their cousins concepts, rather than a 'clear seeing' from and of oneself and the Universe in its totality.

As an even simpler example of the value of true teaching, I remember all my teachers from primary school - forgive the 'cultural educational slant! - being very proud of their pupils for the learning the pupils managed, not proud of themselves for having got them to learn.

We always have to do the learning ourselves. Teachers can be wonderful guides, but as many of those who have always asked humanity to 'awaken', they can't do the 'seeing' for us! And the learning is every moment, as I feel amazed and delighted to be discovering all the time now. I'm sure many of us have seen the results of people who seem to have stopped learning and being inspired...

So perhaps we ought to reassess what we mean by 'guru'? The term 'master' will always be misleading to some extent, as any word as label can be - mastery of consciousness seems a rather strange idea to contemplate on any level! In the true understanding of the function of teaching, the words are never the thing. If there is a direct experiencing of the authenticity of any given teaching, it will make the words superfluous.

Thank you, Tijn, for another challenging article - may there be many more to come!

posted by adamgilliland on 10/25/2007 6:15 pm

thank you sgoodnick.

i am wondering... tijn had a right to write here... he was sharing his thoughts - its his space.

but what were you trying to protect? what factors motivated you to challenge someone's thoughts? i would understand you sharing your experiences on your blog or site... but here? why?

are you demonstrating what guruism does to a disciple?

i was unsure of what tijn was sharing, like most of us... but now i agree with him that gurus DO help in 'freezing facts'

i would rather not have a guru if it is going to make me so fixed that i am not able to see the possibility of other truths being truths.

posted by biren on 10/27/2007 4:35 am

Great article - Point very well made that we are becoming dependent on others to find our own happiness for us. I do think it is important that we enlist others in helping us find the way, but we have to walk it. We have to make the discoveries for us, what holds true for us. In my field I find so many being stuck on "tell me what to eat" and it is often to my clients disappointment that I will not tell them. I rather ask them, what do you want to eat - if you really ask yourself, your body, and your consciousness. The answer is to be found within. I also find that many are becoming overconsumers of helpers. Again, I do believe we need others to helps us find the way, and we need others to provide certain nurture for us, but we cannot replace that with our own journey. We cannot find our way to our self-nurture and care, happiness and self-love without being the one to ask and answer the questions. The point that we have to become something to be successful and happy is indeed a misconception, but a true teacher would never ask someone to be other than what they are. We are all perfect as we are in the moment we are in. Only from that place can we explore who we are. There is nothing going on out there, one of my teachers used to say. How true. Now I do have to point out that I am one of those "therapist, coaches, and teachers..." I actually have a hard time figuring out exactly what to call what I do. Probably exactly because of what this article says, that the completion of what I do is for my client to stand on their own two feet in making the choices for themselves. They come to me wanting to know what to eat and what not to eat. If I told them they would have to live with a list of food in their backpocket all their life. Instead, I truly want to help them find what works for them, so they can indeed do it on their own. So, I do have to say, there are helpers out there who do know that we succeed in our work when someone flies off on their own, and that is my goal with everyone. Even if they for a short moment believe I am their "nutrition guru", soon they will learn that they are "it".

posted by pathforlife on 10/31/2007 10:15 am

I always liked the idea of the Buddha teaching,"Don't trust what I say, find out for yourself". Seen too much bad behavior from "gurus" to convince me to proceed with caution if you take the "guru path". Anyway, great magazine and article.

All the best in the Yoga of humor.

posted by yogadawg on 10/31/2007 5:05 pm

Good comments. I'd just like to say that the term "life coach" doesn't fit here. The only agenda a coach has is to help you focus on and clarify your own values and to make you more effective at reaching the goals you set for yourself.

posted by claybasket on 11/ 2/2007 7:28 pm

I enjoyed this article a great deal and found a lot of truth in it. But like all of the deepest spiritual truths, "Fire Your Gurus" can only hint at the real underlying truth, which couched in a double-bind, a catch-22, dilemma, a snarl-up in consciousness that can't be untangled with a simple phrase. The deeper underlying dilemma is that seekers of enlightenment are seeking something which cannot be understood if you aren't enlightened, except to the extent that the very act of attachment to the goal - the "seeking" - prevents you from attaining it.

Many of us have sat with enlightened teachers and seen that the "isness" about them isn't subtle - and it's something we know we desire the moment we see it, perhaps because we remember some primal state or even enlightenment from another lifetime. And this desire is the first step in both the road to enlightenment as well as the road that leads nowhere, which Tijn so aptly pointed out. Once you place the guru above you as a superior being, you are lost. However, this is historically the way gurus have functioned - and still do - in India. It is, as Tijn pointed out, a great scam.

However, unless you're one of the "lucky" ones like Eckhart Tolle, who spontaneously woke up, you also aren't going to become enlightened by just thinking, reading, studying, or talking about it. In fact, there are an infinity of ways to think you are on the path to enlightenment without making any progress towards it, while there are very few paths that actually lead there, because our wily Egos want to hold onto the illusion of control so badly. The identity of the "holier than thou" seeker is an ugly example. I daily catch myself thinking "spiritual thoughts" and realizing that my Ego chose to be doing something it labels as spiritual rather than getting out of the way and letting me simply perceive the truth of the moment.

So, I have to disagree with Tijn. I don't think you can do "it" alone. Sure, I'd steer clear of anyone calling themselves a Guru, since they'll lead you down the path Tijn illuminated so clearly. But having a loving presence in your life, of someone who's already walked the path and can steer you clear of just the kind of traps that Tijn points out, is essential. Someone who can kick you in the ass when you are spinning around chasing your own tail. Someone who can pick up the pieces when you realize that what is inside you isn't just the sweetness and Light you were expecting, but also the most vile and darkest sludge beyond your imagination... and show you that it's all equal, it's all OK. Someone to witness the truth when you can't see it for yourself.

This is what my teacher has done for me, and still does. Her whole life, every waking minute, is dedicated to her students' enlightenment - and she doesn't hide any of her life behind some sort of privilege and superiority, so her students can always see what she's all about. Sometimes, the truth about her doesn't live up to our projections onto the enlightened state, and then we get to deal with that, which I think is a valuable teaching in itself. She's also not a "giver" of enlightenment: you have to do it for yourself, or not-do it for yourself as the case may be!

The Advaitists will say that we all have Enlightenment within us and we don't have to do anything to achieve it. I believe them. The problem is, that we need a little help in learning how not to do anything!

posted by enovikoff on 11/ 3/2007 12:54 pm

The author is misleading in that he guides the reader into a thought world that sees Mahayana Buddhism and its Zen sub school as the only true Buddhism. But there is an earlier school of Buddhism (about 250 yrs earlier) that is termed Early Buddhism. Any interested person would be hard pressed to find a Buddhist Studies scholar who would agree that the historical Buddha taught the Mahayana through which the Mahayana traces its inception. Incidentally the Early Buddhist tradition, and its Pali language canon, is found in Thailand, Burma, Sri Lanka, Cambodia, and Laos.

The Buddha of the Pali suttas never comes close to asserting something like a Buddha Mind, or that all beings are actually Buddhas. What he does say is that that each individual is her or his own master and that a Buddha or other accomplished meditation practitioners only show the way. The way prescribed is long-term, formal meditation practice. If the author would have taken some time to work with the meditation masters of the Pali tradition instead of running headless from charlatan to charlatan, he would probably not have written his article. Instead he continues to pounce on guru-esque solutions (Zen hagiographies) in his inability to find a teacher and a meditation practice that brings emotional healing to his mind.

An important side point here is that it took a good number is years for us to build up our stock of negative emotional habits and it will also take a good number of years to dissolve them, and no faker or fakir can dissolve them for us. The author may still have a chance (time wise) and considering that, I would recommend that he spend a couple of years in the Pali Buddhist Mahasi centre in Rangoon or a Pali Buddhist Vipassana centre under the guidance of SN Goenka (the French centre is exquisite) participating in long-term intensive mindfulness meditation, particularly mindfulness of bodily feelings as this is a very effective method for dissolving negative emotional habits and restructuring unbalanced thinking habits. And thankfully, there is usually no hugging in these centres.

posted by msdrummond on 11/ 6/2007 5:34 am

Remembering that "guru" means "remover of ignorance", one can see that there's no trouble with gurus. There's no trouble with ignorance actually being removed. One who mascarades as a guru, but can't remove ignorance, is a "false guru", not a "guru".

Truth can be discovered in a variety of ways, including being aided by helpers. The trouble is with an overly dependent state of mind, which is a natural stage one encounters as one passes from feeling separated from one's divine nature, or, if you like, separate from the unity which is absolute truth, into realignment with one's true nature, which is what is frequently referred to as "self-realization".

There's an old story that the disciple goes every day to the guru's home or ashram to learn from him and soak in his presence. He is a regular, so he leaves his mat there. One day, he rolls his mat up and leaves. End of story. What that means to me is that, when realization comes, the usefullness - even the possibility - of an outer authority goes. Until that time, adopting an attitude of denial about one's debilitated condition, a false bravado and forced independence simply reinforces the ego, and works against liberation from it. These attitudes are fear based and have no place within a true seeker.

The spiritual path is, despite the outer circumstances (guru, ashram, practices), an inner path. One has to develop discrimination (inner discrimination) in order to be able to really know when one is free, as opposed to being tricked by the ego. Practices like meditation as well as deep devotion to a guru lead one inward and teach familiarity with the hidden regions of the self. To reach the truth of the self, one has to work one's way through delusion (which, if you think about it is exactly the process of developing discrimination in any area - business, art, spirit - through error, one finds the way to the truth). When one becomes deeply familiar with one's inner longing for love and freedom, one is less easily deluded. If it's one's goal to devleop this discrimination, one need not fear making mistakes along the way, since in the context of learning, mistakes are necessary.

Many people expect a guru to congratulate them the day they get free and give them a sort of certification of enlightment - That's appealing only to those still needing outer authority (approval of the guru, acceptance by others). This is fine, even desireable, as long as one really needs that kind of thing. After that need goes, such hoopla begins to look like the rest of the spiritual circus - medicine needed when it's needed, and best left alone when it's not. Until then, it behooves one to humbly accept that one is suffering from a disorder, and have enough faith in one's inner commitment to freedom to know that it's okay to accept help when needed. It's not dangerous, unless you're true commitment is to something other than freedom. If that's the case, what comes as a result is a lesson, not a disaster. When the time comes, no matter how wrapped up one might have become in a dependent relationship, since nothing can stop the powerful movement of life force in a free being, all false dependencies will be let go.

I've wondered if a relationship with a guru who claims to be anything other than a doorway to freedom - a doorway one passes through and leaves behind - can prevent liberation from occuring in a devotee who is "entrapped" in it. But, I had relationships with several such gurus, always deeply praying for freedom and divine union. Although, in my case, the relationships with the different teachers played off of each other in a way which quickly set me free from dependency, and many devotees don't stray from the one teacher, so the process might be different - I did eventually get set free from the suffering of the sense of separate identity. Even the deep commitment I felt to my guru (my main teacher) didn't stop me, in the end, although there was some trauma in inwardly separating myself from that dependency. The point is - that relationship helped lead me to the goal, and didn't stop me from reaching it, in the end. However, it's important to say that, although it required a lot of courage and determination to break through the bonds of dependency, that dependency served an initial purpose in creating the link between enlightened consiousness and delusion.

And, yes, as stated above, in my experience, and in that of my friends (I know two other liberated people), it was the stopping of seeking which resulted in being set free. However, that final stopping is traditionally said to happen only when the student is ready - it's the seeking, striving, and perhaps even suffering itself which gradually re-aligns the errant energies (wrongly attached energies which lead to delusion) in a way which supports realization.

I read an explanation of guru bhakti yoga (the way of loving devotion to the guru - one of the ways seekers look for freedom) which said that the relationship with the guru is the last relationship of the deluded mind. The sincere, determined, devotee focuses all of one's inner attention, hopelessness, desperation, grasping, desiring, upon that relationship. Although this is automatic and not generally consciously understood, it serves in that it detaches the seeker from attachments to anything which isn't God (except the guru, who, presumably, is the closest substitute). When all of the psychic energy is tied into the guru relationship and the seeker is ready, the guru cuts the relationship and set's the seeker's energy free to return to it's natural path (Divinity/creature or whatever similar construction appeals to you). When the seeker is ready, even if the guru doesn't cut the cords (so to speak), Life will. My guru, in form, didn't take such action; it came to me forcefully through another avenue, through life circumstances which lead me to cut the cords, myself. However, he had predicted it a few months before, which leads me to believe that he was spiritually in agreement with it, despite outer appearances.

When one truly receives an enlightened teaching - that the guru is there only to introduce the devotee to God (or whatever word you choose for the Unity) - it might take some time to integrate, but it will. Afterwards, one can see that the various opportunities for attachment - desire to share the guru's power, his/her actions or words which seem to lead to dependency, rewards for dependent behavior, longing to match his/her seemingly higher development, etc. - also provide the same opportunities for freedom. In having to leave each form of now-unnecessary attachment, one moves deliberately closer to cleaving only to absolute truth, which arises within.

Along the way, I've met a couple of teachers, one who helped me very much, who don't foster the kind of dependency discussed above. I believe that they can also lead a student to freedom. There's more than one way. My point is that there's no need to fear if one's innermost desire is love and freedom, because the deep inner self won't be denied. Following the outer path whole-heartedly, informed by the inner drive, one will reach the goal.

posted by vash on 11/ 7/2007 1:45 pm

vash wrote... ^> Truth can be discovered in a variety of ways, including being aided by helpers.

Maybe Tijn's article suggests that there's an alternative to this idea that "Truth" is a thing to be discovered out there somewhere, with or without helpers. We can at least consider the possibililty that all the Truth we need has already appeared, right in front of us, in this moment.

msdrummand wrote... > The author is misleading in that he guides the reader into a thought world > that sees Mahayana Buddhism and its Zen sub school as the only true > Buddhism.

But if indeed we're firing our gurus, then who needs Buddha, much less Buddhism! If Truth is already present in our just-now experience, we needn't get overly concerned about what some long-dead Indian monk said.

enovikoff wrote... > Many of us have sat with enlightened teachers and seen that the "isness" > about them isn't subtle

Surely there are lots of people who like this type of belief. The type of thinking that makes ideas of "enlightenment" and considers it as something that some people get and some don't. As for "isness," even a rock or a tree has "isness," so is it really necessary to chase after it? I'm not saying it's bad, if that's what you like. But we can be aware that it's a choice.

As adamgilliland noted, ain't nothing wrong with teachers, ain't nothing wrong with listening to a teacher, if you then try to see for yourself what he's pointing to. But *following* a teacher is a different matter entirely.

sgoodnick wrote... > I worked with a spiritual teacher intimately for 13 years and throughout this > relationship found it to be vital to my process of spiritual growth.

Again, if that's what you like, no problem. It's not really my affair if someone wants to believe that they're growing spiritually, whatever that may mean. In the end, it's a matter of taste. In my own experience, according to my own tastes... I've found that people who believe that some of us are more spiritually grown than others... aren't always the most pleasant people to be around. This is particularly true of people who consider *themselves* to have achieved spiritual growth.

Stuart stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com

posted by RandomStu on 11/ 8/2007 2:35 pm

Great, enlightened article. Just like an aspiring artist who never really becomes an artist until he or she finds their own voice, a person never reaches their destination and becomes who they want to be until they find enough courage to trust themselves. For example, I know someone who is an aspiring recording artist, but when she sings it doesn't sound like her. It's not her own voice. She sounds like she thinks she is SUPPOSED to sound, consciously or unconsciously imitating someone else who is already a big star. I wish I could tell her that if she sounds like someone else who is already an established artist, why would anyone listen to her? They would listen to the real thing. She does not realize that the essence of art is emphasizing your own uniqueness. And it takes courage to be unique. By definition, being unique is kind of lonely, and it can be even frightening. Picasso did not become Picasso because he imitated the style of someone else, but because he had the balls to draw from within and be himsef. The same thing applies to Van Gogh, or Renoir, or Pollack, or to any other artist in any form of art. If you have any knowledge of classical music, you know it is a Chopin piece when you hear it, or a Rachmaninoff, or a Bach. Take the field of acting. No one does what William Hurt does. Or Meryl Streep. Or Clint Eastwood. Or Brando. You name it. Just like no one writes like Hemingway. All these wonderful souls did not become who they are because they followed someone else, but because they listened to their own inner voices.

posted by seekerwithin on 11/ 9/2007 1:32 pm

In reply to the aptly named RandomStu:

Sorry, who said anything about Truth "out there"?

If you read something and then respond in an unrelated way, attempting to project your own meaning onto the other writer in order to make a point, then you apparently have an axe to grind and aren't really interested in receiving, thinking, and offering a useful response. Why bother?

Per Yogananda: The sun shines equally, also, on a piece of charcoal and a diamond. But the diamond receivers and reflects the sun’s light of God, but not all receive and reflect that light (equally).

If you want to learn about something, be it spiritual life, philosophy or welding, it's best to learn from someone who knows. Then, rather than staying stuck in a worshipful mode forever, one can move on to use what one has learned in freedom.... asssuming that one has actually learned anything. That's when it would be appropriate to "fire" teacher.

You seem display a supercilliousness which betrays a lack of openness and serious inquiry. I detect a lack of understanding on your part of the difference between the enlightened and unenlighted states, and of the commonly repeated statement, "One is already enlighteneded. Enlightenment can't be gained, as it is our true nature. One just realizes it."

There is a difference between being bound by self-identity and being free from it. Or, as some put it, from being bound by delusion and not. For one who is, the only way to begin to learn about another way of being is to learn it from those who are already free. Otherwise, it's like an illiterate isolated on an island trying to teach themself to read a book. Such a person is likely to apply only what they know and can imagine, and end up not actually being able to read, at all, although they might come up with an entertaining and comforting fantasy.

posted by vash on 11/11/2007 1:06 pm

vash wrote... "If you want to learn about something, be it spiritual life, philosophy or welding, it's best to learn from someone who knows."

True enough if we're talking about welding. But what about if we're looking into our own true nature? Isn't it possible that you yourself can look into your own nature, just as well as an outside expert can?

In our experience of this moment, there's no knowledge of proper welding technique, so going to a master welder makes sense. But the experience of truth, and our true self, is a very different matter, since it's always available to everyone.

"I detect a lack of understanding on your part of the difference between the enlightened and unenlighted states"

You're suggesting here that you've got an enlightened state that ordinary people don't understand?? Or are you saying that even though you're not enlightened, you know for certain what it is??

This distinction between "enlightened and unenlightened states" is based on your beliefs. If you hang out with enough people who believe just like you do, it can start to feel like your beliefs are Truth. But they're not; thinking is thinking, beliefs are beliefs.

What you say here is akin to a Christian saying, "I detect a lack of understanding on your part that Jesus is Lord." You're speaking about your beliefs, but trying to represent them as if they're objective truths. As if "enlightened and unenlightened states" weren't entirely dependent on your own ideas and opinions.

Stuart stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com

posted by RandomStu on 11/11/2007 6:32 pm

This article basically offers a "dismantling of power relations," a strategy which is one of the main features of critical theory, the branch of philosophy which has essentially replaced the general "philosophy" in the intellectual discourse today. I think critiques of power relations can be very useful for sure - I have spent a lot of time doing it in my own work.

Of course, what would be good here would be to also offer an alternative strategy for inviting assistance or sharing knowledge with those who do in fact need healing, treatment or some form of assistance. There are those of us who are still working on achieving the great heights the author apparently is accustomed to.

posted by SeedWoman on 11/17/2007 11:40 am

Some nice gems to remind us here, thank you. And, there is a weakness in the entire perspective that I see in written pieces often. The author speaks of "people" in his generalizations. I am left wondering, which people? What Complexity of Information Processing (CIP) levels are these people at? What level of meaning making, ala Cognitive Archeology, are these people at? Which Spiral Dynamics level of people does this article write about? What level of faith development, ala Fowler, are these people at? Which level of compassion have these people developed to? Which context are these people embedded in, and when?

I think the picture may be clear now. There are no "people". And to write as if there are is misleading, simplifing to the point of being unhelpful, and adding tacit support to this outdated idea that there are such things as "people" in such broad brush terms.

If we are to engage each other with maximum effectivness in communication, caring, and any other laudable goals, we must be artful. Artfullness requires at least a perspective of human being that honors the fact that people are very complex, multi leveled, and that we change, at least, based on context changes. Unrefined generalizations will almost always leave most people out.

Many of us have (somehow) woken up in objective consciousness. We are able to think and feel about our thoughts and feelings...vs being emersed in the thought/feeling narrative of our lives. This objective viewpoint has only recently become available to large numbers of two leggeds. From this viewpoint we have the possibility of designing the structural information set, that we then indwell as we "descend" again into a narrative life. Both these levels are important for a full life. In designing our perspectives, our structural information set, we must be artful, and that entails including a developmental perspective re ourselves and other two leggeds we care about.

Most of us would think leaving a trail behind us of reduced pain for ourselves and others is desireable. To not include a developmental understanding of ourselves and others, when we could, blinds us to opportunities for freedom, and serves to lock us and others in the pain that lack of freedom entails. We can, and frankly, we should, do better.

Be well - Tom C.

posted by tomc on 12/17/2007 11:02 am

I would like to point out that the author of the article mentions Eckhart Tolle in the first paragraph, although it doesn't seem that he has a grasp of Tolle's teachings at all. Eckhart Tolle never promises enlightenment in the future. In fact his book is titled "The power of NOW". In otherwords, you don't "get" something in the future by following the teaching. You already are "it".

And I wonder what he means by Eckhart Tolle's "sharp tongue"? I am curious where that impression came from.

Also, I think that authentic spiritual teachers immediately recognize the follower who wants to be "like" them, and a good guru nips that right in the bud! A good example is Gangaji who fully admits that she is just as fallible as the rest of us, and that we are just as "enlightened" as she.

posted by clou on 1/14/2008 10:26 am

Clou wrote... *****Eckhart Tolle never promises enlightenment in the future. In fact his book is titled "The power of NOW". In otherwords, you don't "get" something in the future by following the teaching. You already are "it".*****

I'm not sure why Clou says that Tijn doesn't have a "grasp of Tolle's teachings at all." If what clou says is true, then there's nothing to get from Tolle. It's already NOW, so we don't need Tolle's help to get there. Therefore, just as the author says in this piece, we should Fire Eckhart Tolle!

Clou wrote... *****A good example is Gangaji who fully admits that she is just as fallible as the rest of us, and that we are just as "enlightened" as she.*****

Same point. Since Gangaji is fallible, and hasn't got any special "enlightenment" that the rest of us lack, why not Fire Gangaji?

The proof is in the pudding. It's not the words, it's the results. That is: it doesn't matter if Tolle TALKS about "now," or if Gangaji TALKS about not having anything special. If they were really communicating that teaching well, then more people would be FIRING them. The more people refuse to fire Tolle and Gangaji, the more suspect their teachings.

If you meet the Buddha, you must kill the Buddha. If you meet a great Guru or Teacher, then you must kill that great Guru or Teacher.

Stuart stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com

posted by RandomStu on 2/ 6/2008 4:39 pm

Thank you to Ode and Touber for raising some excellent points for readers to remember. You can lose yourself on the search for anything and never arrive. And looking around, I personally agree that the world is full of teachers who are not interested in "graduating" their followers, and vice versa. However the rest of the article continues and goes to extremes that are just that: extreme. The author himself fails to acknowledge the obvious "truth" of his own experience which is that the wisdom he acquired was at least partially gained from the lessons he learned from others. So the real question that seems to underlie his query is 'when is it time to fire your guru?' The answer may vary depending on many factors, not least of which is your own progress on the given path.

I agree with the comments of some of the writers below that pointed out that not all "gurus" have any interest in maintaining a pack of followers, and my careful reading of Eckhart Tolle and his writings in the "Power of Now" confirm that he is an example of a teacher who goes out of his way to emphasise all the same points as the author on the subject of the value of not holding on to a teacher any longer than necessary to get the essential core information. I find it ironic therefore that the very guru cited as an example of who not to "follow" is giving the same advice as the author. My advice to him, go read Tolle again, and be encouraged that you don't have to fire anybody who is truly willing to help you. As far as the other less enlighted teachers are concerned, I totally agree that they may be doomed to fail. In the end you want a teacher who teaches you to follow your own wisdom, but there such, though rare, individuals.

posted by johnh on 3/23/2008 1:18 pm

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